Re: [announce] s6-rc: a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

From: Laurent Bercot <>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:32:46 +0200

On 29/09/2015 22:19, Avery Payne wrote:
> Well, it won't be in officially, but it's still possible as a 3rd
> party set of packages. If nosh can make packages for Debian, then
> it's possible to get s6-rc/s6 packaged.

  Sure, but Jonathan himself made the nosh packages for Debian. He's
to be commended for it, but I'm sure as hell not going to do the same
with s6 and s6-rc - it's a slippery slope to maintaining packages for
every distribution on Earth, which is insane, unbounded, ungrateful

> Just curious, why? Frankly, I think the only holdup for Devuan would
> be in having shims in the form of scripts that will be called from
> apt-get; the shims would be wrappers over something that would "do
> the right thing" for whatever init/supervision pair is installed.

  It's probably still too early to tell. What I can see from my presence
in DNG is that the user base, contrary to what I thought, is not very
technical; a majority of them don't even understand the point of
supervision, or have preconceived ideas that it's a bad thing. They're
here because they don't like systemd for such or such non-technical
reason - and they're usually right, but I expected to find allies on
the technical front, not only the political one.
  It's the users though; I don't have access to the developer list.
I hope to be able to talk with the Devuan developers more when they
have released the first version.

> Just FYI, I looked at Alpine the other day and discovered they are
> using OpenRC.

  Yes, they are, and it's far from a bad thing - I don't like the way
OpenRC is implemented, but I think it has most ideas right.
  Some Alpine devs are open to experiments with alternative init/rc
systems though, and will discuss it after the next release in early
October, and I'll be there. Serendipity!

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