Re: further claims

From: Colin Booth <>
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 00:30:11 +0000

On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 08:09:58PM -0300, Guillermo wrote:
> El mar., 30 abr. 2019 a las 5:55, Laurent Bercot escribió:
> >
> > >haven't you claimed process #1 should supervise long running
> > >child processes ? runit fulfils exactly this requirement by
> > >supervising the supervisor.
> >
> > Not exactly, no.
> > If something kills runsvdir, then runit immediately enters
> > stage 3, and reboots the system. This is an acceptable response
> > to the scanner dying, but is not the same thing as supervising
> > it. If runsvdir's death is accidental, the system goes through
> > an unnecessary reboot.
> If the /etc/runit/2 process exits with code 111 or gets killed by a
> signal, the runit program is actually supposed to respawn it,
> according to its man page. I believe this counts as supervising at
> least one process, so it would put runit in the "correct init" camp :)
> There is code that checks the 'wstat' value returned by a
> wait_nohang(&wstat) call that reaps the /etc/runit/2 process, however,
> it is executed only if wait_exitcode(wstat) != 0. On my computer,
> wait_exitcode() returns 0 if its argument is the wstat of a process
> killed by a signal, so runit indeed spawns /etc/runit/3 instead of
> respawning /etc/runit/2 when, for example, I point a gun at runsvdir
> on purpose and use a kill -int command specifying its PID. Changing
> the condition to wait_crashed(wstat) || (wait_exitcode(wstat) != 0)
> makes things work as intended.
> G.
Moving the goal post a few feet here but, the duties of a proper init
are to either: supervise one or more other things, or to bring down a
system if their one thing goes away. runit does both: it'll restart 2 in
some cases (correct, properly supervising one or more things), it'll
bring down the system in other cases (also correct).

Honestly, it might be better to define what a bad init is and then say a
proper init is one that doesn't do that thing. A bad init is one that
allows a system to enter a totally vegetable state. By this
redefinition, a good init is one that doesn't allow systems to go
vegetable, either by having something they restart, or totally freaking
out and burning down the world if the one thing they started ever
vanishes. Hell, sinit could be made proper by forking a thing and then
issuing the reboot(2) syscall any time its child vanished. Annoyingly
aggressive on the restarts, but proper.

Colin Booth
Received on Thu May 02 2019 - 00:30:11 UTC

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